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 Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:08 pm Post subject: CN censorship off the deep end |
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I've been contributing to a fishing thread in CN's Off-Topic Observatory for a week or so. Title of the thread is something like Ones that Got Away. The OP opened the thread by talking about catching Jewfish, the common name for a fish species there. Today, all references to Jewfish have been replaced by references to West Australian Dhufish! Talk about political correctness gone awry.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: CN censorship off the deep end |
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| snorkler wrote: | | The OP opened the thread by talking about catching Jewfish, the common name for a fish species there. Today, all references to Jewfish have been replaced by references to West Australian Dhufish! Talk about political correctness gone awry. |
You gotta be frickin' kidding me? Will they censor Jack Fish too because it sounds to sexual? What the hell is going on over there?
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| Chopin wrote: | | Wow. Hope someone doesn't accidentally make improper reference to a Blackfish... |
Or the Black Bass, which is what some parts of the country call the Smallmouth Bass.
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The best part is the censorship replaced the correct species name with a wrong one. The West Australian Dhufish isn't the same species as the Jewfish. Another name for the Jewfish is the Mulloway. That's what Joad should have replaced it with, if his censorship was justified, which it isn't.
I'm trying to think of a fish story involving Squawfish, Queenfish, Kingfish, Whitefish, Humpback Chub, or some other politically incorrect species, where I can leave off part of the name a dozen times in the story. Or maybe I should just tell a story about the _______ fish.
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Replacing with the wrong species is priceless! No surprises on the moderator either. I like your idea of the _______fish, however I'm not sure your real meaning would be understood by those to whom it would be directed. It might be uh, interesting, to give it a shot and see what happens. 
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Political correctness is very amusing sometimes (as well as completely bonkers) when someone tries to apply it and makes a hash of it, as that CN mod did. Replacing a species' name with completely the wrong one just makes the moderator in question look foolish. If you are going to alter someone's posts and completely change the name of a species just in case it *might just* offend someone then at least get the alternative name right! Otherwise you just look a prat.
On a related note, here in the UK we have a pudding (a sponge pudding filled with raisins) called 'Spotted Dick'. 'Dick' as we know has some 'interesting' anatomical connotations and a local council, in the English Midlands, took it upon themselves to rename the pudding 'Spotted Richard' on the canteen menu because of these connotations (and because one customer allegedly made 'juvenile' remarks). After being held up to public ridicule, the council quickly changed the name back to 'Spotted Dick'.
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Yeah, Spotted Richard just doesn't work! I still can't figure out if these people are really that overly-sensitive, or just feel better about themselves when they are complaining about something and generating controversy. If our skins are really that thin, we're pretty much doomed.
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| Kawx4d wrote: | | Yeah, Spotted Richard just doesn't work! I still can't figure out if these people are really that overly-sensitive, or just feel better about themselves when they are complaining about something and generating controversy. If our skins are really that thin, we're pretty much doomed. |
The thing is, I don't believe that people's skins really are that thin. We have family friends who are immigrants from India and what annoys them more than anything is political correctness, as it makes them feel patronised and stupid. These friends are also worried about offending the local populations, they came here intending to fit in.
I think it is the authorities who are a ) frightened of offending *someone*, b ) think we all need keeping in order, c ) are frightened of being sued, hence all these b.s. occurrences.
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Around here we have a blue iris family flower called the Blue Dick. They have onion-like bulbs that the rabbits and other wildlife eat. Blue Dicks grow in fields with Golden Violets, aka Golden Pansies. Hmmm.
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I'll make sure not to mention snorkeling at Chinaman's Hat in Oahu, or sports teams like the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians on CN.
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And heaven help you if you mention the fact you had a black coffee. Mind you, black holes seem to be okay - for now.
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| Chopin wrote: | | Wow, Darrell. Dicks and Pansies frolicking together in fields of grass. Sounds all too naughty...and 60's. |
| Talyn wrote: | | And heaven help you if you mention the fact you had a black coffee. Mind you, black holes seem to be okay - for now. |
But "singularity" is gaining popularity in the PC circles!
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| Erik wrote: | | I'll make sure not to mention snorkeling at Chinaman's Hat in Oahu, or sports teams like the Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians on CN. |
Yep, we have a mountain in Phoenix that has been named Squaw Peak since at least 1910. Apparently a derogatory name to some Indian tribes there had been a push to rename it for over a decade. Finally in 2003 it was renamed Piestewa Peak in honor of Army Spc. Lori Ann Piestewa. She was the first Native American woman to die in combat in the US military,and the first woman soldier to be killed in action in the 2003 Iraq Conflict.
Renaming in her honor was very nice thing to do, but it's too bad the entire thing was surrounded by so much controversy, and was more of a timing thing than anything else. Had the petition been successful early on, the mountain would be called something else now. It also supposedly violated the required waiting period of 5 years after a person's death to rename geographic features, which caused another uproar amongst some of the politicians. IMHO our soldiers deserve more honor than that. This case in particular since the entire process was political from the start and really had nothing to do with what she was fighting for or why she died.
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For every right, there's a wrong. Mt. McKinley in Alaska was named after a politician who never set foot in Alaska. The mountain had been called Denali by the local natives since prehistory, but it still remains on the atlases named after Ohioan McKinley, thanks to the Ohio congressional delegation. The National Park Service renamed the surrounding national park Denali National Park, but the mountain remains officially Mt. McKinley.
Birdwatchers used to count a duck called the Oldsquaw. Its name was changed to Long-tailed Duck a number of years ago. Same duck, new politically correct name.
The Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians will go the way of the Stanford Indians (now Cardinal). Sombrero Chino is also the name of one of the Galapagos Islands. All their English names like Albermarle, Narborough, Culpepper, and Hood, have been largely replaced by their older Spanish names in popular usage.
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| snorkler wrote: | | The Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians will go the way of the Stanford Indians (now Cardinal). |
And the St John's Redmen (now the Red Storm).
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| snorkler wrote: | | Birdwatchers used to count a duck called the Oldsquaw. Its name was changed to Long-tailed Duck a number of years ago. Same duck, new politically correct name. |
We have the Long-tailed Duck here in the UK too as a winter visitor but here it was never called the Oldsquaw, it's always been called Long-tailed Duck. Probably due to the singular lack of elderly Native American women here in the UK (except for a Navajo woman who lives near my mum).
I wonder if the 'Common Loon' will follow suit and be renamed Great Northern Diver (which is its common name in the UK) in case 'Loon' is deemed derogatory to people who are not in possession of all their mental faculties? 
| Quote: | | All their English names like Albermarle, Narborough, Culpepper, and Hood, have been largely replaced by their older Spanish names in popular usage. |
I like the Spanish names, far more interesting and exotic than their boring old Royal Navy-inspired names. Hood, etc, were ships and admirals.
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I felt uncomfortable with the hard core TOS there. . .I suppose that is necessary with their user participation. . .Not Sure
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| snorkler wrote: | | The Washington Redskins and Cleveland Indians will go the way of the Stanford Indians (now Cardinal). Sombrero Chino is also the name of one of the Galapagos Islands. All their English names like Albermarle, Narborough, Culpepper, and Hood, have been largely replaced by their older Spanish names in popular usage. |
If I was an American dad I'd have a problem taking my kids to a game featuring "the Cardinals" after all the child abuse cases that have been laid open to public scrutiny in recent years. I'd feel a lot more comfortable if they were called "the Castrati" (a distinct possibility given how tight those uniform pants are) but I guess that wouldn't be considered politically correct either...
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The Stanford University nickname is the Cardinal, named after the color, and singular. So it's not like the Stanford Bishop or the Stanford Bird. It's more like the Stanford Red.
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Just pointing out that it's pretty damn hard to pick a soubriquet that is and will remain politically correct. As times change, issues change.
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This was an amusing little thread which was soon snuffed out by the powers-that-be: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3598239/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1/vc/1.
Shame, as I was itching to ask if this guy, when he met his wife did he bop her on the head with a club and drag her back to his cave: | Quote: | | I sure wouldn't let my wife go off to a club by herself with a bunch of men. |
and | Quote: | | I do let my wife do the things she likes to do. who give you the right to tell me what I can do with my wife. if you don't mind letting your wife do things with other men that's ok with me. in my book two things in life you must learn, never screw around with another mans women and his money. I hope you know where I'm coming from. sorry dude I'm old school. |
Old school? Stone age, more like it.
Unfortunately the thread had already been snuffed out in it's prime before getting really interesting.
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Wow. There were several stone age men talking about "letting"/not "letting" THEIR women do things in that thread.
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